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I really didn’t want to post anything about politics again. The election is over and we have what we have. But this election has been one of the most divisive elections I have seen in my lifetime, this is a rather short lifetime given the fact I am but 30 but this has been very tense from what I have read, listened to and now have experienced on this blog.

There is something that really, really confuses me as it relates to Evangelical Christians who side more with the Republican party (though they will say it isn’t about Rep vs Dem) and defnitely with McCain over Obama. What confuses me follows.

1. Many Christians say they wanted to vote for a man who more reflected their values. Those values happen to be abortion and gay marriage. I agree that both are in error to the Christian way. Abortion is wrong and Gay Marriage is wrong. Abortion to me seems to be a universal law, I could be wrong but I do believe that. Gay Marriage not so much. I believe that to be a Christian/Religious (Mormons) value, not a universal value. Many cultures define marriage many ways, everything from polygamy to the trading of property is how marriage is defined. Not to mention in some places the woman is the property of the husband because of the sinful devaluing of Women across the globe (I never understand how that is universal problem, I guess it is Eve’s fault). So I am with those who oppose abortion maybe not so much gay marriage, but I am more indifferent on the latter.

2. But there seems to be a problem. Many were against Obama for his more socialistic/Marxist views. I don’t believe he is either but that has been explained in other posts. But what really gets me is when the same Christians uphold the moral value system of gay marriage and abortion but then say in the same breath “it is not the responsibility of the government to provide healthcare, education, or to take the money of the well off in the name of taxes and give it to the poor”. Now, is abortion and gay marriage any more immoral than ignoring the widow, orphan and poor? When I read my bible I see a the Apostles very concerned for the real physical needs and in 1 John, James, 1 Timothy, Matthew 25 and a slew of God’s accusations in the minor and major prophets there is a huge relation between a love for God and a real, need meeting love for the poor!

So what I am asking is why do we want the government to only uphold half of our moral values? Why is it perfectly fine for the government to control how people live morally but not how they live economically? What I hear all the time is “it is the job of the church to provide for the poor and marginalized” while in the same breath they say “it is the job of the Church and the State to uphold Christian moral values”. Am I missing something here? Am I the only one struggling with the disconnect? If you will fight for the values of abortion and gay marriage politically, shouldn’t we also use the same amount of energy and tenacity to fight for education, healthcare, programs to help single mothers, childcare for those who must have two working parents because of their education and income levels, shouldn’t we fight to get decent living quarters and to help those with AIDS? How can we say one is the job of the government because of our historic Christian values but the other isn’t.

Sorry for the rambling but I don’t get it. Either we want the government invovled with every aspect that the Church should be doing or none of it. If not we are being very selective about what Jesus values.

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Since we are still on this topic of babies, family, abortion, etc…. I decided to introduce another issue that is somewhat relevant to the topics aforementioned in the most recent posts written by Lionel.  Do babies or children before the claimed age of accountability(in which no one knows the age) go to Heaven when they die? Let me also say that I have never lost a child and I am the father of Tyris Lamont Jr.(21 months old) I am not making light of this situation but in the same token do not want to give a false hope that cannot not be affirmed by scripture. My heart goes out to those who have lost babies by miscarriage, stillborns, or early deaths. I realize this becomes an issue when we try to figure out a way to get babies to heaven after premature death while staying true to scripture-never to compromise to sooth our frail consciences.

My position on this: I believe with the knowledge I possess concerning the attributes of God and Him being loving and kind and everything else; I say that God would allow unborn babies to go to Heaven. With that said, let me also say I and many others have a very hard time making this argument from scripture. Many people make arguments mainly from the Old Testament to secure their position and cannot be brought to fruition amongst the New Testament revealed revelation. I would like to examine briefly some of the arguments of people who say that without a doubt they can assure the eternal security of the unborn.

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I want to preface this post with this statement “This post is not for the sake of aruging”!!!!!

After reading the comments on the previous post I now have to ask this question in scenario format. I was speaking to my brother Saiko today and he said that the woman who terminates the life in case of the rape is “murdering” the baby. Which I agree that abortion is murder; however, I believe it is murder only in the sense that it is malicious. I believe the bible deals with Murder as it stems from revenge, anger, jealously, lust, envy and that the law under the Old Covenant had different ramifications in different circumstances. So I asked Saiko about this scenario in which he said it would be okay to take this man’s life which I think goes hand in hand. If one is given the liberty the other is also.

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I have had an interesting Sunday to say the least. I finally got to visit of a church of a gentleman I have talked to on the phone and blogged with quite frequently. I have been trying to get there for the last 6 months and due to my beautiful wife and son (the youngest) visiting her mom in Austin, I had the privilege to check out Provide Church in Garland Texas. I thoroughly enjoyed the Sermon and the people are beautiful. Pastor Gunny preached on sin from Jeremiah 17 and it was very convicting but with any great Pastor the redemptive indicatives were the foundation and thus the appeal to the Holy Spirit as believers and the cross for the non-believers were the foundation from which Pastor Gunny spoke. Afterwards He invited me to dinner with his lovely family and I got to meet his wife and children and I enjoyed them dearly. And for those who don’t believe that Calvinist picks up the tab, Mr. Gunny was more than welcomed to cover the tab. Thanks for a beautiful Lords Day Pastor Gunny.

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This was posted yesterday by Pastor Eric “Gunny Hartman. His blog is here and his church is here. As believers this is not a political issue, as many would try to make it. It is a biblical issue and God has called us to seek and serve Him not politics, or anything else. So as we pray and give of our resources to promote the Kingdom, lets not forget about the screams that we can’t hear from the womb! God bless.
Today is Sanctity of Human Life Sunday.In that regard, check out ProLife.com and here’s some good stuff from John Piper:

15 Pro-Life Truths to Speak

“You will know the truth and the truth will set you free.” – Jesus Christ


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